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24 Oct 2017 23:32 #304737 by Kyrin Wyldstar
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Adder wrote: Government just writes the music, its up to the public servants to play the damn thing. Sometimes all it takes is one instrument in the orchestra being out of tune to stuff the whole thing for the audience. But if the resultant sound is no good it's probably a blend of both being less then ideal, but lets not forget we all have different tastes in music as well!! Sometimes even that can change depending on ones mood :D


Uhh I don't think that's what Ariane is talking about. I get the impression is goes much deeper that a few issues of beauracracy.

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25 Oct 2017 01:41 #304742 by Alethea Thompson
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You live as you live.

The gods (you use uppercase, I have no love for those which are not big "G" in the singular, so I'll use lowercase) certainly do have their agenda, as does God. While God and a great deal of other gods subscribe to curbing "sin" by the definition of that being, not all do. Instead, some seem to say more something along the lines of "your life would be a lot better if you followed these guidelines, but if you're not going to follow these guidelines...whatever?". Some encourage discord, because the war for power has been a thing in human history forever- why wouldn't it be in the spiritual realms?

The only real truth is that we are free to determine who/what we follow or do not follow. If one chooses to believe that following a deity is about ridding themselves of sin, that is certainly one way to look at the situation. But another interpretation is that by following what the religion teaches to the best of our ability, and then repenting when we've fallen hard against those teachings, we are actually benefiting the world around us.

It's all in how you look at it. At the end of the day, you have to recognize that there are some rules which should be followed- like not committing murder (that is to say, in cold-blood, not as it concerns legitimate self-defense or defense of others), if for no other reason than these things keep society in harmony.

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25 Oct 2017 03:48 #304748 by Adder
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Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Adder wrote: Government just writes the music, its up to the public servants to play the damn thing. Sometimes all it takes is one instrument in the orchestra being out of tune to stuff the whole thing for the audience. But if the resultant sound is no good it's probably a blend of both being less then ideal, but lets not forget we all have different tastes in music as well!! Sometimes even that can change depending on ones mood :D


Uhh I don't think that's what Ariane is talking about. I get the impression is goes much deeper that a few issues of beauracracy.


I hope so. The point is its not one closed system acting out upon the community. It is made up of members of the community with various extents of accessibility to the community depending on which level you look at. For example my partner was running a federal agency at one point here in Australia, and she is the most spiritual person I know and more Jedi than I!! So I might have a different perspective on the concept. Anyway, this is why its helpful to communicate with specifics about said problem, otherwise it just loses any capacity to exert traction as a concept and will go nowhere.

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04 Apr 2019 04:40 #336883 by ghost of the mist
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Humans are neither good nor bad. It is our actions that make us good or bad. You and only you can definitely what is good and bad for yoirself. We are what we choose to be. Something I might think is bad or wrong, might be something you consider to be right. It really depends on your point of view, and your personal believe. Religion is what you make of it. Good and bad are what you believe.

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05 Apr 2019 14:18 - 05 Apr 2019 14:19 #336917 by Cyan Sarden
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ghost of the mist wrote: Humans are neither good nor bad. It is our actions that make us good or bad.


These two sentences are contradictory. If humans are neither good nor bad, then nothing we do or don't do will make us good or bad.

Good or bad are nothing but silly labels - what we or our environment may deem to be "good" may be received as very "bad" by other environments. It's impossible to know the Force - the Force is unpredictable. Because of that, the effects of our actions will always be unpredictable too. You can't introduce predictability in a system that is completely unpredictable.

All we can really do is try to think through how we act and speak and try to choose ways that are as beneficial as possible to our surroundings. And refrain from getting frustrated when our environment reacts differently to our actions and speech than what we thought.

Do not look for happiness outside yourself. The awakened seek happiness inside.
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17 Apr 2019 20:07 #337344 by _Vergere_
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Ariane wrote: Everything we have been told of religion is a lie. We say that we like religion and that we worship religion when actually we hate religion and if we understand


A wise observation. Indeed everything we tell each other is a lie, but everything we tell ourselves should be the truth. However, the truth is always greater than the words we use to describe it.

Where you go from there is the mystery.


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You will find no truth in me.

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